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 |  | Meeting Software For Video ConferencesFor PC (MS/ Linux/BSD) programs, Smart Phone
    & Tablet (Android & MacOS) Apps, & FreeBSD etc Servers 
    
 
      
      This page was started to decide which server
      software to host.& expanded to consider client app software. & free
      servers run by commercial companies (presumably funded by
      adverts or to promote commercial fuller services), &
      servers run by non commercials.
Some clients run within browsers & thus easier than all
      participants needing to install & familiarise with same
      app.As a PC needs a microphone & camera as well as sound
      output & software drivers, rather than install all that
      on PC, many may prefer to use a smart phone.
This file is under rapid change at 2020-03 
      (What started my interest: Lock down during
      Corona Virus 2020-03: berklix . eu / corona) 
      
        
        2020-03 I posted this request for free public domain server
        software recommendations 
        lists . freebsd . org / pipermail / freebsd - ports / 2020
        - March / 118003 . htmlIf you have comments please post
 
      List of video telecommunication services and product
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                  Join Our free Virtual Stammtisches even if
                  you are: Long distance in South Africa, Sweden,
                  or Singapore, Pollen allergic in Garmisch; In
                  Corona quarantine, Or just stuck at home. 
                  Any smart phone or PC will do. Any of
                  Android,
                  MacOS, Microsoft, Linux,
                  BSD. No
                  SIM card needed. No registration for you, your
                  computer, or app. No NSA or GCHQ it's a European
                  server. Non commercial.Shortly before event organiser will
                  private mail all who booked with the web address
                  of the live session. Not earlier, for security.
                  You will be able to move around conversation
                  sized sub groups as normal.
                    
                    
                    
                      
                      Though smokers wouldn't affect
                      virtual events as such; Corona
                      confinement & Virtual sessions will end,
                      & normality will resume, smokers are not
                      permitted on Non-Smoker mail lists (that
                      announce virtual meetings), as it would
                      degrade lists we previously worked to purge
                      of smokers, lists the membership wants to
                      remain clean for when we later resume
                      announcing non smoking events after the Corona
                      shutdown.Disagree ? Go
                      Search elsewhere! Other sites have
                      humans funded by adverts or fees. Our
                      volunteers all unpaid, no time to be
                      wasted.Do a solo test session
                  before the Stammtisch, to check if your device(s)
                  work & are configured OK, or if you need a
                  download.
                    
                    Questions? Ask on appropriate list after first
                    joining the list via one of 
                    
                    
                  Book your seat when you decide, &
                  organiser will confirm it. Don't book too late! 
                  
                
                
                
                  
                  Smart phones
                  & tablets shouldn't be really old: You
                  need a camera same side as the screen. 
                  PCs
                  should have sound & camera configured 
                  We
                  tested with smart phones, tablets, Android
                  & Mac, PCs with Microsoft & Linux,
                  FreeBSD
                  & will try more.Make sure you've turned off data via
                  expensive SIM card, & turn on your WLAN
                  (WiFi) connection.Pre-charge your device or plug in,
                  it's heavy on batteries.Some tablets have CPU processors that
                  do not support the Jitsi
                  Meet app. (you may have already noticed if
                  your device doesn't
                  support some other apps too). You can find your
                  device name on Android
                  under: Settings > General > About Device.
                  Then if you want Search Web
                  for what CPU your device has.PC & Android -
                  Jitsi Meet clients and 
                  phone apps connect and work well, Chromium or Chrome browser also works. At
                  2020-04-10 Firefox is
                  blocked on server of meet . ffmuc .
                  net(Firefox (on all OS's I
                  think) recently (March/April 2020) had a sound
                  problem, it was reported on a FreeBSD list)
                
                
                
                  
                  
                    
                    The URL (web ref.) containing combined names of
                    the server & room 
                    
                      
                      is not here on the web, so the
                      world & gate crashers don't flood the
                      server or room).Might be announced to the Berklix mail
                      list,but as some of our mail lists have
                      200 hundred people, & we normally expect
                      10 to max 20, the mail list
                      posting may (just like a normal physical
                      meet) just invite you to sign up with the
                      organiser (`moderator' of the room) of the
                      roomThe organiser (`moderator') may
                      then private mail just signed up participants
                      the web ref. they need.We may use room names such as
                      xyz1, xyz2, xyz3, where the 1 will be the one
                      you should join first, then you can migrate
                      to side groups if too many chatting in main
                      room
                        
                        Where we announce an event in advance by
                        mail as to be in Room XYZ,, if all
                        participants migrate from main room to
                        quieter sub rooms, then the main room XYZ
                        would close automatically when last
                        participant leaves the main room, &
                        latecomers would have no idea where to go,
                        so either &/ or both: 
                        
                          
                          Sub rooms should be created
                          with predictable names XYZ1, XYZ2, or 
                          The event organise should run
                          a 2nd device
                          keeping room XYZ open, & watching for
                          latecomers.Sign ups give the organiser a
                      head count, useful, as these are not chaired
                      moderated rooms, where 20 might acoustically
                      fit, but informal free conversations where
                      more than 5 or 6 breaks down into noise,
                      & people migrate to side rooms. 
                      A password may be mailed out to
                      signed participants, just shortly before
                      appointed room start time, when organiser
                      creates the room. (The organiser cannot mail
                      it you earlier, as [some of/ the] free
                      technology & service providers do not
                      support room pre-reservation, just room
                      creation)
                
                
                
                  
                  To support 2+ sub groups
                  simultaneously we need some people eg organiser +
                  others to have & use 2 devices. Do not connect both
                  devices to same room
                  else you get feedback howl (Jitsi Meet on Android
                  does not allow volume turned to zero) 
                  
                    
                    Arrangements may change, discuss at 
                    
                      
                      virtual meetings
                        
                        Or on appropriate discussion list eg one
                        of: 
                        
                        
                      Now do a solo test run, Here's how to connect with Jitsi
              Meet:Notes Common To
              Users Of All Apps & BrowsersBack To Index 
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              Clean camera lens, turn volume up,
              connect microphone Drop Outs & Poor quality: To avoid
              drop outs or jittering frozen video: Turn off spare
              Apps, Task, Processes running on your device. Turn
              off auto update of apps. & bulky map data etc.
              Turn off other devices sharing the same router that
              may also present a load on your router. Stand nearer
              the router, or use a cable data link between device
              & router (a USB cable may not automatically
              suffice, it may only do power, you may have to
              configure your device to also use the cable for data,
              plus configure the router & perhaps firewall to
              allow data on that USB.Battery: Pre charge it to full, or leave
              plugged in to mains, or have a spare USB cabled
              battery. Camera & microphone & sound output
              & processing can eat battery, you will notice
              back of smart phone gets hot fast. Stammtisch
              sessions can be longer than expected, draining
              battery.
                
                
                Chrome
                is Google's product.Chromium is the
                open source browser
 PS Naming differentiation seems partly scrambled
                on FreeBSD:
 
                  
                  pkg info -a | grep chrom #
                  chromium-81.0.4044.122_1 Google web browser based
                  on WebKitchrome running reports: About
                  Chromium Chromium Version 81.0.4044.122 (Official
                  Build) (64-bit)which chromium # Command not
                  found.file /usr/local/bin/chrome
                  /usr/local/share/chromium/chrome 
                  /usr/local/bin/chrome: POSIX
                  shell ...
                  /usr/local/share/chromium/chrome:
                  ELF 64-bit ...
                  / usr / ports / www / chromium / pkg-plist
                  installs bin/chrome
                
                
                
                  
                  Remove kids, pets, noisey machines
                  & human non participants from your room, or
                  remove yourself _& your microphone to us us_
                  from their room, close the door. You were invited
                  to join us, they were not invited: Same
                  attendance criteria as for physical meetings of
                  whichever virtual group you attend.Do not turn on your TV
                  radio or music, else you disrupt the group
                  & must leave.Mute your microphone while you do not
                  want to talk for a while, & while you have
                  extraneous noise eg open door to TV, radio,
                  music, clattering kitchen , kids, dogs, machines.
                  - You wouldn't bring those nuisances to our
                  physical events (or would be ejected), so do not
                  burden us with them.Give your normal first name to your
                  screen icon. Same as you would over a real table,
                  Same as you signed up with to organiser. Don't be
                  lazy & omit. Don't be a smart Alec with fake
                  moniker like Zombie123, You wouldn't do that in a
                  physical room. Don't make life hard for friends. 
                  Suggested: Place camera on a pile of
                  books at eye height, to avoid the classic bad
                  angle from camera on table: that you've seen on
                  TV interviews: All viewers look up the nose of
                  interviewee, or just their forehead each time
                  they lean back - not our best views, we normally
                  view each other at eye height, not table height
                  ;-)Remember on a tablet in landscape
                  mode, the camera is off to one side, place tablet
                  a bit to the side to allow for that, face the
                  camera on the edge, your eyes can drift a bit
                  more to the middle of the screen.If you don't want people to see your
                  background, don't turn the camera off, hang a
                  towel or flag or poster picture etc on wall
                  behind your head. It is a video session, not a
                  phone call, we are virtualising a real meeting of
                  whichever group you are in & you would not
                  attend the real meeting with a blank bag over
                  your head.
                    
                    
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          rec. by hps@ They all install OK with: 
           pkg install virtual_oss webcamd baresip zynaddsubfx
          midipp obs-studio 
          
        
        
        
          
          Public Domain Source with community
          & commercial
          support.bigbluebutton . org 
          github .
          com / bigbluebutton / bigbluebuttonen .
          wikipedia . org / wiki / BigBlueButtonNo FreeBSD portVincent Defert <20.100@@defert.com>
          wrote ports@ I'm using it to give trainings, it is simple
          and efficient. I use it in conjunction with a VM served
          through Apache
          Guacamole for the labs.The thing is: your contacts don't need to install
          anything on their machines (= you don't have to do
          troubleshooting over the phone), all they need is an HTML5
          capable browser.
 And unlike Skype, the quality of
          sound and video is good and you don't have to register at
          Microsoft.
            
            http://mail.sf-day.org/pipermail/sfd-discuss/2020-August/003268.html
            
            
              To: Open discussions about SFD
              <sfd-discuss@sf-day.org>Date: Mon Aug 10 00:50:44 UTC 2020
 From: Maren Hachmann maren at goos-habermann.de
 One of the Inkscape board members who works at
              a university in Paris told us they're using it for
              lectures. When someone in our chat asked him about what
              would be required for up to 200 (and a temporary
              maximum of 350) persons, this is what he
              replied: "then I would recommend >= 1GB/s bw , 8
              cores, 32G RAM are enough - disable webcams except
              for *one* speaker at most, screenshare strongly
              discouraged, disable chat when >= 200people, never
              enable the "collaborative drawing over
              slides" you would probably not use up more than 16G ram
              but it is better on the safe side rule of thumb is
              that bandwith will be limiting, and bandwith usage is
              n_attendees x (n_webcams+4 x screenshare) x 1MB/s if
              you go for correct quality" For occasional meetups, Inkscape project
              members often use Jitsi, and it's mostly fine for
              small numbers of people. With the free website, it
              doesn't require any setup for trying it out. Last
              time I used it, it only worked reliably in Chrome,
              though, and people often had difficulties with the
              audio. Development may have advanced, I've not been
              in a Jitsi meeting for a couple months.Back To Index 
          
        
        
        
          
          Proprietary Commercial. No Wikipedia page. blizz . com /
          en-us "From TeamViewer"TeamViewer is or was the favourite for cold
          call Indian criminals invading MS PCs "Sir, I am from
          Microsoft, You have a problem with your computer ..
          please install.." BTWWhether TeamViewer is itself secure if
          installed & used properly I don't know (or care, I
          live in a Free BSD world not an MS
          world).
            
            TeamViewer was used by a friend to support a relative's
            MS PC, but now uses RealVNC. It's VNC but they have a
            service to make it easy to get connected.: 
            
            
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              The TABLE IS IN A
              SEPERATE FILE as it's wide, that avoids
              horizontal scrolling for the rest of this file, a
              nuisance particularly on smart phones.
            
            
            
            
            
          
            
            
              
              
                
                
                  
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                      The Admin/ Moderator Menu: If you
                      have Admin privilege (shown by a small star
                      in your face icon), if you hold a smart phone
                      in landscape mode, you cannot scroll through
                      extra settings to set a room password, You
                      have to rotate phone vertical to portrait
                      mode. This limitation was not apparent on
                      Athol's tablet with bigger screen (but which
                      way was he holding it?)User Interfaces Different between
                      Android
                      app and Linux/
                      Windows programs:e.g. I only just now discovered where the
                      password can be set in the Linux/
                      Windows programs (It is under  the "i"
                      icon -> "Share"! In the Jitsi Meet Android
                      app one clicks on the 3 dots (= "more
                      actions") which seems the more appropriate
                      place. Reporter: Athol
Dropping Users, Gate crashers,
                      aka Zoom Bombers:I've not seen Jitsi
                      Meet offers this ? Useful for gate
                      crashers or someone who wanders off &
                      turns on TV. Without it, we all have to drop
                      the session, & admin has to to mail a new
                      room name [& optional password]
                        
                        Jitsi Notes from Athol
                        2020-05-03: good news for Jitsi Meet
                        moderators using "meet . ffmuc .
                        net"
                          
                          After quite a lot of cross-checking
                          regarding adding passwords, muting
                          participants and kicking others out of
                          the meeting amongst other things using
                          Windows/Linux/Android via ffmuc.net packages for
                          Windows/Linux (Mac not tested because I
                          don't have one) or the Jitsi Meet app
                          from the Google Store, I got the
                          following results. The standard Jitsi meet instance at
                          "meet.jit.si" assigns no specific
                          moderator/privileges to people joining
                          their meeting. If the first person
                          entering the room does not assign a
                          password, then anybody entering later can
                          add a password. Then only the person who
                          added the password can remove it during
                          the meeting. In the standard instance, anybody can
                          kick any other participant out of the
                          meeting. There are no restrictions apart
                          from not being able to kick oneself out!
                          That is done by clicking the red hang-up
                          button. Also everybody can mute all the
                          microphones. OK, each can un-mute their
                          own mic. In contrast, the "meet . ffmuc .
                          net" Jitsi instance has implemented
                          "moderator" functions, which are
                          independent of whether one is using a
                          browser (Chromium), windows/linux package
                          from their website, or Jitsi Meet App
                          from Google Store (iOS probably the same
                          but not tested). However, some of these
                          "moderator" functions don't seem to be
                          available via the App. The first person to sign into a room
                          at "meet
                          . ffmuc . net" gets moderator
                          privileges (and a little star in his/her
                          picture)  and only loses
                          these privileges on signing out. Then
                          another participant automatically becomes
                          the moderator. I think this allocation
                          follows the sign-in sequence. These privileges are: 
                            
                            a) Only the moderator can
                            add/remove a room password. 
                            b) Only the moderator can
                            kick people out of the meeting. 
                            c) The moderator can mute
                            all microphones (own microphone not
                            affected). [Function not available in
                            Jitsi Meet App, where only muting of
                            individual microphones is possible.] 
                            d) The moderator can select
                            one participant and mute everybody
                            else's microphones. Useful for running
                            meetings. [Function not available in
                            Jitsi Meet App.] 
                              
                              e) The moderator, after signing in,
                              can set three default features for
                              all participants [under "Settings"/
                              tab "More": 
                              
                                
                                Everyone starts muted 
                                Everyone starts hidden
                                [= no video]Everyone follows me.
                                [e.g. Moderator toggling the screen
                                from tiles to  a single
                                selected participant toggles
                                everybody's screen. Useful function
                                for focusing people on a speaker.] 
                                 
                          Despite these moderator functions,
                          anybody can still un-mute their own
                          microphone at any time or toggle back to
                          tiles view. 
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                          Firefox Warnings: On
                          several web sites that would have allowed
                          a sign-in, the sign-in screen warned : Firefox created a bad
                          experience for everybody in that
                          conference.
                        
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                      INSTALLING
                      A JITSI SERVER by Bob Eager 
                      Announced on ports@ If anyone wants a BSD client (other than
                      a browser), make a port for 
                      github . com / jitsi / jitsi - meet -
                      electron
                        
                         
                        /usr/ports/www/jitsi-meet 
                        
                        
                       
                      /usr/ports/net-im/jitsi-videobridge 
                      FreeBSD: 
                      / usr / ports / net - im / jitsi 
                      
                        
                        FreeBSD:
                        2020-03-23 
                        
                          
                          cd /usr/ports/net-im/jitsi ; make on 2
                          systems with uname -aFreeBSD 
                          13.0-CURRENT #14410: Sun Mar 15 16:28:46
                          CET 2020 
                           12.1-STABLE FreeBSD 
                          12.1-STABLE #623: Thu Mar 19 16:41:59 CET
                          2020 
                           both with ports/ .ctm_status ports-cur
                          13413 .svn_revision 528938 
                           jitsi-2.10.5550 is marked as broken:
                          fails to start, missing requirement 
                           pkg install osgi.native 
                           No packages available to install
                          matching 'osgi.native' 
                           echo /usr/ports/*/*osgi* # echo: No
                          match. 
                           make TRYBROKEN=YES package # Succeeds ! 
                          
                        
                        
                        FreeBSD:
                        Baptiste Daroussin
                        <bapt@@freebsd.org> 
                        
                          
                          The port is about a previous thing from
                          jitsi (a SIP client) 
                           when people speak about Jitsi c'est
                          speak about meet . jit . si 
                          aka jitsi .
                          org 
                           The video bridge is in java and the
                          front end is in javascript with desktop
                          apps iirc for those who do not want to
                          use a browser . Note
                          that on FreeBSD 
                          desktops it works well in Firefox browser . 
                           No login required, no dedicated required
                          it just works fine. 
                           There is no port yet of the server part
                          on FreeBSD  but
                          should not be hard to do as it is fully
                          opensource. 
                           Kubilay Kocak
                          <koobs@@freebsd.org> wrote: Working
                          on it alreadyNetBSD user Greg Troxel
                      <gdt@@lexort.com> wrote me, extracts
                      below: To be clearer about "Jitsi Meet" vs "Jitsi": There is
                      an old SIP client "Jitsi", that as I
                      understand it runs on regular computers via
                      Java, and there is "Jitsi
                      Meet" the new videobridge/ js-client
                      thing.
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        Riot.IM with Matrix
          
          rec. by Kubilay Kocak for AV/conferencing for various
          use-cases including FreeBSD  community oriented
          stuff 
          
          
          en . wikipedia .
          org / wiki / Skypeused with a web
          client. since Microsoft took over the user interface has
          got worse and worse1 to 1 telephony over IP.Athol reports: (video) group calls are
          possible. The limit is not clearly
          defined but appears to be at least 25 (maybe 75) for
          normal skype. ["Skype-for-business" has negotiable limits (the more you pay...) up to
          1000+] Athol wrote: one can have several video chat
          groups in parallel on one device. Back To Page Index 
           Vitero
          
           
          en . wikipedia . org / wiki /
          Zoom_Video_Communications App: 
          play . google . com / store / apps / details ? id = us .
          zoom . videomeetings
            
            Lots of criticism for security. Newest first. 
            
            
          
            jhs@ experience 2021-04-29 
            
              Ensure your spam filter will allow mail from
              From: "Human Name" <no-reply@zoom.us>
                Join instructions for a session were in a horrible
                format that if your mailer doesn't support 3D crap,
                are a big problem (& you definitely wont want
                to hand copy from a mail device to a browser
                device) eg: 
                
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
 href=3D"https://us02web.zoom.us/w/88451734555?tk=3DZzCZds + 
200 or so more bytes
Zoom App on Android is incredibly intrusive,
              wanting all sorts of un-necessary access to private
              data & device permissions. Lie when it asks eg
              your date of birth. Just make a note of fake data, in
              case you ever need it for them, maybe as a password
              or proof of ID.
            
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              Bir: The Sound ist quite lousy 
              Chr: 8 people, I was surprised by the
              good sound qualityBack To Page Index 
           
        
        
          
          Limits might change as services overload
          being busy with Corona virus extra
          usage. Limits may include number of participants, session
          times etc, reduction of bandwidth reducing quality etc. 
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